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The Words of the first Citizen Journalists still Reverberate around the World - 2000 years on.

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The Council of Nicaea
Fresco, Sistine Chapel, The Vatican Photo: St Nicholas Society/Rosenthal

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The joining of msnbc and newsvine does not constitute a council of Nicaea, and Calvin Tang is no Athanasius, thankfully!
The writers of the Gospels in the first centuries of the first millennium were the original citizen journalists. They were concerned, dedicated people who wished to make things better for 'their' people. Like any group of people, connected by contemporaneity or guided by the writings of earlier citizen journalists, they had lots of differing viewpoints, and ideas about how the perceived 'utopia' could be attained.

At first the forum in which they communicated their positions and opinions, the audience which listened to their eye witness accounts and proffered hearsay, was wide open and largely uncensored.
Consequently, around that time there were many different versions of the rise of the Messiah, the identity of the Messiah and just what the results of this Messiahs' sacrifice meant to the followers of the different 'truths'.
This really didn't help the theocratic ambitions of the Romans or the Turks, or anyone else who had a hankering for unlimited power over the faithful, so they held a meeting to see what they could do about it all.
It seems that there were some gospel writers who were concerned with the recounting of the big picture, they told of the important events using the broad swaths of history, not concerning themselves to closely with the minutiae of the wants and desires of the main players. We still have writers like that today, nothing new there.
Others were interested in people, they loved the interplay between the characters, they like the fluff. They still do. These 'fluff' journalists sort of got in the way of the deification process which the council were involved in though, as interesting as their writing was... Sorry, no publishing deal there!
Unfortunately, most of the concerned citizen journalists who started it all off were by then 'departed citizen journalists' and even if they weren't, there was no Newsvine around at that time to allow any opposing voices to be considered, even if in secrecy.
The results, after much debate in the council looked like this:

  • Mathew
  • Mark
  • Luke
  • John. (If only they had avatars alongside:¬))


  • It looks like the old leader board had room for only four main players doesn't it.
    The rest of the pack were buried under the table at Nicaea, they just didn't fit the religious and political doctrine of the day.
    Happily, some far sighted folk had the balls to spirit away some of the works of the pack and hide them for posterity. They began to emerge in the 20th century, I'm sure the 21st will see more of these documents seeing the light of day.
    Our clay jars, as citizen journalists of the 21st century are the servers and discs which hold our words.
    Let's hope these storage jars last as long as those of the first citizen journalists have.

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    {"commentId":1376552,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    I wonder how much pain I would endure for my beliefs?
    They were some journalists back then!

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    Reply#1 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:28 AM EST
    {"commentId":1377105,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    Have faith my friend. They say that once you have penned something on the web, it will remain there forever and ever. Amen.

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    Reply#2 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:38 PM EST
    {"commentId":1377121,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    Something about what you just said scared the life out of me Raat.

    Maybe it was just the way you said it :¬)

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    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:41 PM EST
    {"commentId":1377138,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    oops sorry. didn't mean to do that.

    you sure you're not hitting that bottle? or are the rains getting to you up north?

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    #2.2 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:47 PM EST
    {"commentId":1377147,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    I can't help where my mind takes me, it's these bloody books I read.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:49 PM EST
    {"commentId":1377191,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

    Eddie and Raat ki Raani, when they publish the next Big Book I hope to be a footnote to either of you. Thanks Eddie, a splendid, wonderful and inspiring article.

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    #2.4 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":1377227,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    Go in peace my Son.....Father....Dad....You know what I mean!!

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    #2.5 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:10 PM EST
    {"commentId":1378119,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    Jerry - we'll all be the footnotes. old fogey's 'n all:-) which reminds me Eddie. Howz that Group doing? Must go clog up the works on it one day soon.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.6 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:26 PM EST
    {"commentId":1378447,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    It's getting there Raat,
    10 Members so far.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:13 PM EST
    {"commentId":1378470,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    Great work. Have left a message on the board for now. Will come back and slpash around for more. l8r.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.8 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:25 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1392181,"authorDomain":"mrhomer4"}

    Eddie,Ijust want you to know that this is one of the best articles on Newsvine!Sometimes an article can be short and full of good meat.The way you unfolded it was honorable .If I was on the voting committee I would say a big 10,Well done.

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    Reply#3 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:02 AM EST
    {"commentId":1392215,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    Thanks so much for the vote of confidence Mark. I try my best.

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    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:15 AM EST
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    {"commentId":1393885,"authorDomain":"mrhomer4"}

    Eddie, I just wanted to add,Great choice of pics. for the Article. The black and white says a lot to me as well of the simplicity of the way it was done.And The Council Of Nicaea by Fresco very nice!

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:20 PM EST
    {"commentId":1393900,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}

    Thanks Mark, it was a deliberate choice, I'm sure you got that. The 'word' was written by the true folk and then the pomposity and hypocrisy of the council distorted it.
    Thanks again.

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    #4.1 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:22 PM EST
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